In Defense of Discord
Let's put this nonsense to bed, because it's cranky and needs a nap. Discord is not malware.
Discord skews young. I imagine if you took metrics on Discord's active users, the average user age would probably sit somewhere in the early twenties. I'm sure, as anyone who's seen a callout post can cop to, young people aren't really the smartest when it comes to rallying and getting on the horn for a cause.
Now, I happen to love Discord. It's the best of all worlds: convenient, everyone's in one place, works well, good interface, free (and I hope to buy Nitro at some point in the future), and has a ton of nicer, smaller features. After bouncing between Skype and IRC for years, with neither really satisfying, Discord has been just the thing my little circle of friends needed.
But, every so often, some jumped-up well-to-do from the woke computer kids crowd will pop up, usually on a site like Neocities, and talk about how truly awful Discord is. "Guys," they'll say, with a thousand-yard stare, their voice quivering. "It's literally malware."
Discord can track your general location (about as precise as which county you are in). Discord can also tell which devices you use, as it uniquely identifies each device, and how much you use those devices, as it can record your device usage habits (since Discord is usually open in the background so that it can receive messages). Discord also records every single interaction you have with other users through its service. This means that Discord is confirmed to log every conversation that you have through Discord, and record everything that you say on Discord, and view all images that you send through Discord. Therefore, none of your interactions on Discord are private.
Gee, thanks, my guy. I didn't realize an app I use for chatting with other people meant other people were gonna see what I sent.
Discord, by design, gathers data. Whether or not that data is of value to you as the user with full knowledge that the data gathered can (and will be) used to market third-party services to you is important, is your call. Assuming most Neocities users are cautious of privacy and advocate free speech, this is an oxymoron. Discord is a messaging service, a space for gamers, creatives, and other users to talk and share information. Having prying eyes for every sentence you mention (for example) in a vent channel with a space to converse about feelings and otherwise troubling situations, is completely open for third-parties to sell you medications and suggested psychological evaluations.
Malware is defined by Wikipedia as "any software intentionally designed to cause damage to a computer, server or computer network". Malware takes many forms, but most often, the term refers to viruses, worms, trojans, ransomware, adware, and spyware, the latter of which is generally what people classify Discord as being. After all, Discord collects your data, spyware collects your data, literally what's the difference?
The major issue with spyware isn't the tracking, but rather, the opaqueness of how your data is used. If you send your phone number through a spyware app, that app now has carte blanche to sell it off to anyone looking to spam you with advertisements or order pizzas on your behalf.
If you provide information for a certain reason, we may use the information in connection with the reason for which it was provided. For instance, if you contact us by email, we will use the information you provide to answer your question or resolve your problem. Also, if you provide information in order to obtain access to the Services, we will use your information to provide you with access to such services and to monitor your use of such services. The Company and its subsidiaries and affiliates (the “Related Companies”) may also use your information collected through the Services to help us improve the content and functionality of the Services, to better understand our users and to improve the Services. The Company and its affiliates may use this information to contact you in the future to tell you about services we believe will be of interest to you. If we do so, each marketing communication we send you will contain instructions permitting you to "opt-out" of receiving future marketing communications. In addition, if at any time you wish not to receive any future marketing communications or you wish to have your name deleted from our mailing lists, please contact us as indicated below.
tl;dr Discord uses your data to provide you the service, improve the service, and to market stuff it thinks it likes to you. If you don't like the latter, you can opt out of the latter. If you don't like it using your data at all, you can stop using the service.
So yeah, this is pretty much a fool's understanding of how spyware works. It's disingenuous to say that a free program that tracks your data openly to make the service work is in the same class as, say, CoolWebSearch, or apps masquerading as Netflix. Also, Discord doesn't sell data to advertisers.
Further, I'm not sure what privacy you expected on Discord, a place where any little shit with a copy of ShareX can leak a server's worth of embarrassing messages to any parties interested. I'd be more scared of them than the spooky monolith gamer chat people that, no, do not care about your furry kink and aren't trying to sell it to advertisers. Perhaps you could just, I dunno, crazy idea, don't jump at me for saying this—not send private information through Discord?
Also running is Discord's process logger and web cookie sniffer to parasitically attach itself to every account you ever logged in with in your preferred web browser.
This fucking "process logger" nonsense, I swear. This seems to be something of a smoking gun for the woke computer kids crowd, true evidence of Discord being malware...until you read further into it:
CTO of Discord here.
We do not record all your processes and send them to our servers.
We watch the process list for 3 reasons.
- Detect games to show on your status message. You can turn this off anytime in the privacy tab of settings.
- Detect games to hook the overlay into if it is enabled.
- Detect games run as administrator to warn that Push to talk won't work.
You cannot disable the scanning as the 3rd reason is always required.
If you use the overlay we send information about your DirectX and GPU to our metrics server to track success rate of the overlay as we test it and improve it. We will probably stop sending this to our server as soon as overlay moves out of the experimental phase.
Nothing else is ever saved to disk or sent over the network.
Astoundingly, this is cited on the Spyware Watchdog site as a confirmation of spying, which kinda makes me wanna scream.
No other site in the history of the world (probably) has used cookies. The ones that do are (probably) evil and fascist and (probably) look to bring about nuclear armageddon using small Filipino children to carry dirty, radioactive bombs into the Capitol Building. How eeeeeeeevil.
Truth is, there is no seperation between the user's messages and the profit-value us Neocities users are formally against.
Speak for yourself.
Written in Electron and Node.js, which means Discord is a self-contained Chrome-based browser simply acting as a portal to the web version of Discord. In multiple occasions, Discord ramps from the standard 90MB of RAM usage to nearly 1GB. Not forgetting the RAM leaks due to Electron's bloated mess (Tested on an i5-6600 + 16GB RAM). All for a messaging app.
This is a side point I'd like to address. Electron is actual trash, but Discord is actually one of the best Electron apps I've used. I know, that's like saying you're the fastest runner in the Paralympics, but stick with me. For a while, I used Trello's desktop app, which also uses Electron, and the damn thing was responsible for grinding my computer to a fucking halt constantly. Meanwhile, I have Discord running on both machines 24/7 with virtually no system slowdown whatsoever, even during gaming and recording, on the same processor and less RAM.
Where's your God now?
Marketed as a simple messaging app, when really bundled as malware.
Like clockwork. Pray the knees stop jerking.< Back to index